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  • #18915
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    Damian Indij
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    Why are integrity and anti-corruption some of the least addressed areas in the governance of water resources and services? Here follow some guiding questions with the aim to start a valuable exchange of opinions:

    • Which and who´s interests might be affected?
    • What comes first: effective (good) water governance or water integrity? Do we need minimum conditions to start?
    • What type of “water knowledge” is needed to move into water integrity and transparency?
    • Who loses when water governance is not effective?

    Please don´t extend your comments more than 10 lines. The goal of this first forum is not to exhaust the topic, but to open a discussion. That´s why we recommend that you focus on the aspect which captures more your attention and don´t worry for answering all questions. Let´s share and build knowledge all together.

  • #19270
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    Ayebale
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    Hello every one in this session
    I would like to first thank the coordinator and the team for the good job being done .
    Back to the queston, and in my opinion, In developing countries, inegrity and anti corruption are really some of the least addressed because the responsible personels who should trigger them are partly or fully at times involved. like giving out water points to communities and also in hiring the contractors at some point integrity is lost, the element of anti corruption cannot be then addressed. So my point here is, some people to address these consider probably taking bribes and serving their individual interests and of course end up loosing the professional part of it.
    In this, the donars interests get affected, the beneficially communities or agencies too get affected.So to me, water integrity would come first and paves a good way for good water govrnance. Be free to correct me and i hope to learn more form this discussion group.

    • #19313
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      Damian Indij
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      Thanks for your comments! I a way I agree with you of course, but I think there are more things to be explored: are we as a society aware about how corruption affects the water sector? Do we have this knowledge? And then the knowledge to solve this situation, to promote different ways of doing things which are more transparent? Is it all about bribes, or integrity entails much more things (we will go through them in the next modules of this course). Finally, are integrity measures a different side of governance? Or should we move towards a kind of governance which covers integrity, accountability, transparency? It is a good start, let´s wait and see what concepts we revise along the course.

  • #19360
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    CarolinaZijda
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    @ Damian:

    This will require co-operation from various stakeholders, institutions and organizations concerned about water governance. Also – the gap between policy making, local water issues to be addressed and everything in between often results in an ‘evaporation’ of integrity. These I believe are 2 major hindrances for effective water governance.

    • #19450
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      Damian Indij
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      Thanks Carolina, you bring to our discussion table a very interesting concept and question: in a way we need more interactions to ensure transparent mechanisms, but on the other hand these increased interactions may generate new opportunities for corruption, this is quite a challenge for all of use promoting water integrity. We never said it was easy, but understanding the complexity of the situation is step 1. Let´s move on!

  • #19412
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    mayhps
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    The sector of state’s economy and marginalized, poor and disabled people’s interest will be affected if integrity and anti-corruption are least addressed in the governance of water resources and services. We need effective governance first and minimum required conditions are accountability, responsibility and public’s active participation in order to start it. The principles and general knowledge about the importance role of water is needed to move into water integrity and transparency. Localized poor people will lose their benefit if water governance is not effective.

    • #19451
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      Damian Indij
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      Thanks so much for yoru accurate statement, hope we all agreed with this and then move towards the necessary actions. We will see change when new policies and mechanisms are implemented. A huge challenge sometime sis moving beyond words.

  • #19425

    I would like to thank the coordinators for the opportunity to discuss this subject Then, I tried to summarize my main point on the 4 questions on the 10-line space (a very hard task concerning the multidimensional and relevant discussion)

    Regarding the interests affected, the establishment of a robust and efficient framework for water governance may change the status quo of the most powerful and consolidated government bodies/sectors, such as energy and food production, mining activities, that then need to think about one more aspect of their activity. This can be seen as a transaction cost, but also an opportunity to enhance the coordination/integration between diverse areas, one of the goals of IWRM, and add more principles (accountability, efficiency, participation) on the arena. On matters of what comes first, I believe that these processes are mutually enhanced, relying on a basic established water management framework. The Knowledge part, on my understanding, is the one regarding the decision-making process there tackled by initiatives aiming on principles such as participation and accountability. Finally, the loses from not effective governance can vary from water being waste to general economic crisis (due to the effects on the production sectors), therefore can affect all stakeholders, however the damages are more present on more vulnerable groups/communities.

    I’m open to further discussion and any questions/comments on something that was not clear.
    Hope to hear from you soon !

    • #19452
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      Damian Indij
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      Hi Guilherme, thanks very much for your comment and for noticing the interaction between sectors (this is very well covered in the training manual and it´s recommended reading for sure). I share your view on the mutually enhanced approach, and being co-dependant -to continue building this concept-. On the knowledge side, I think that along the course as we cover more topcis we will start seeing how far this goes and all levels and stakeholders invoved and who will benefit from knowledge. For once, I think effective participation may not be achieved until people have a basic knowledge and understanding, and minium inforation in each specific case / situation. Let´s continue!

  • #19430
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    mghema
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    Having a big weight on the social dimension of water, water has not been priced correctly in a transparent manner. This way of treatment itself created big injustice where the people who don’t have access to water most often bear the cost of water. Is this the right social dimension of water?

    • #19454
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      Damian Indij
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      This is a very interesting point, do we know what are we paying when we pay for water? How do water invoices look like? Being transparent with prices (how they are built, what are we paying for, are subsidies considered?) is a must-do activity to improve water governance & water integrity. Many thanks!

  • #19462
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    palubbe
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    Why are integrity and anti-corruption some of the least addressed areas in the governance of water resources and services? Here follow some guiding questions with the aim to start a valuable exchange of opinions:

    • Which and who´s interests might be affected?
    • What comes first: effective (good) water governance or water integrity? Do we need minimum conditions to start?
    • What type of “water knowledge” is needed to move into water integrity and transparency?
    • Who loses when water governance is not effective?

    Integrity and anti-corruption issues are hardly addressed or discussed because it is jigger that is deeply rooted in many’s foot. People don’t discuss this, you suffer alone. So, integrity issues cuts across the board, right from the leadership to subordinate. People find it as way of surviving to make ends meet.The salaries are never enough and people want to make an extra coin no matter what. The leadership has mega corruption while the subordinate has the least which is affecting the consumer at the ground level. To me water integrity comes first, as if you have integrity then you will discharge your duty as needed. This could also be vise versa where you a cultural change within an organization has taken place.
    In terms of the kind of knowledge needed to effect water integrity and transparency, people need to be served-using the right based approach, where one should know, that they should not deny anyone anything as it is their right to have it. Honoring ones rights is core. When governance is also not effective, the last mile suffers, i.e the consumer. He is forced to survive and mostly they end up paying water even 15 time what they ought to pay due to corruption.

    • #19564
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      Damian Indij
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      Many thanks for your elaborate response! Giving this complexity and knowing how deep and far this problematic situation is embedded in societies, one possible answer is creating “integrity islands” which may start working differently and the be replicated in other “islands” and so on. Something to think about and aim for.

  • #19463
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    Hmaidi
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    Greetings all,
    one of the reasons why governance and integrity are the least addressed is that water and sanitation are just another service provided by the local authority or a service provider and this is the cash making business. it has almost the largest budget, largest number of staff and workers and the one which may give service providers manager (mayors) the possibility to show quick response to vital daily needs that is considered a strong asset for next elections.

    on the other hands, regulatory tools and monitoring for service provision in most of the countries are either absent or week, law enforcement and implementations are still week and even water or municipal related judicial systems are not there.
    a third issue is that to some, the impact of their action which mostly affects the poor and marginalized people is not made clear as their voices are not heard.

    • #19569
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      Damian Indij
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      Thanks for your comments and for bringing key concepts as regulatory tools, monitoring, law enforcement , and finally how important is giving a voice to everybody!! We would be living a different world if we could hear, see, and feel empathy for all. The good thing is that all these concepts are embraced in effective water governance and water integrity principles. We have a map. Do we have a compass?

  • #19478
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    Eman Rahamtalla
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    I would like to thank the course coordinator for giving me his opportunity to join this course. In my country the intgrity and anti-corruption are the least addressed the local government or decision makers ignore this issue. The funds of most water projects are used in other ways.So the donars interests get affected. For me, water governance would come first and leads to good ways for good water integrity.

    • #19571
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      Damian Indij
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      Thanks Eman, nice having you in this course. I hope you fin valuable knowledge and should be able to make a good contribution. Your country, as most countries, is in the need for changes in line with water integrity.

  • #19479
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    George
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    Integrity and anti-corruption, are some of the least addressed areas in the governance of water resources and services because some of the parties involved in community water projects, are considered angles who have saved the communities from water problems. Some communities will not care about what happens under the curtains, so long as there are some water available for them. On the other hand, some of the water projects at the community are too complex and complicated that the very few with some skills to operate them takes advantage to engage in corrupt activities since the communities are not empowered sufficiently to questions any malpractice. Finally, a number of water projects are conceived, designed and implemented in a manner that gives room for corruption thereby making the systems so closed to public scrutiny due to lack of transparency and public involvement right from the begging.

    • #19575
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      Damian Indij
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      Hi George, thanks for your comment. You mention a very important aspect of water services: its complexity makes most of the persons unaware of how things work. We mostly want water to come out of the tab. Do we know where is it coming from? Do we know where is to going to after we used it? This makes the water sector attractive for those who want to take advantage and be engaged in corrupted practices. Knowledge is a strategy for integrity.

  • #19483
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    mghema
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    I believe all most of all the counties, the 100% capital recovery of investment is not possible and as such the best stories would be the partial recovery of the capital funding. some countries or municipals may just recover the operational cost of the water and sanitation services having the cross-subsidy from commercial to domestic. This is mainly due political engagement in tariff setting.
    then
    – there is no finding for expanding the services
    – there is no finding for proper renewal assets, e.g. old pipelines
    – the utility will be in the vicious circle

    As there is no capital recovery, who bear the cost? it is then the general public who event don’t have access to water bear the cost of investment.
    So politicians don’t allow setting the cost recovery tariff by giving weightage on social dimensions, but they have forgotten the people who don’t have access to water.
    on the other hand, in absence of a regulator, who will check the efficiency, transparency, accountability of operation of utility??

    • #19576
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      Damian Indij
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      Very good points! So a regular is key! As well as giving voices to people as it was noticed before in this forum. Monitoring and accountability are drivers for this.

  • #19504
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    Hmaidi
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    in addition to my post above, we should always remember that water services and the right to get the service is granted by law in most if not even all countries. on the other hand what might be looked at violation of governance and integrity principles in some countries may be looked at from a different view point in other countries and what might influence the way of thinkin may include the socio economic conditions, social unrest conditions, local security conditions, or being under occupation or where resources are the control of an external party or country. in any of these cases, the service provision manager might find himself in a situation that he/she should take a decision instantly. to me this is not violation, unless it becomes a trend.

  • #19522
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    George
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    When water governance is not effective, so many people will lose. For example, when sustainability of a community water project is compromised due to poor management, the water project will be defunct. Once defunct, the community members are likely revert to contaminated water sources that could lead to waterborne infections among the community member and especially the under five children. If there are industries using water systems with poor governance, the resulting irrational water supply will affect the activities of the industry thus their productivity will automatically go down. Lastly, even the management team with governance issue, will also loss since with time, the entire system will go down and they will be in charge of nothing at long last.

  • #19585
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    sarathanjali
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    • Which and who´s interests might be affected?
    • What comes first: effective (good) water governance or water integrity? Do we need minimum conditions to start?
    • What type of “water knowledge” is needed to move into water integrity and transparency?
    • Who loses when water governance is not effective?

    Hi,
    The interest of general public will be affected
    Effective good governance imrpoves water integrity. Therefore effective (good) water governance comes first
    first of all every one must understand that water is a common good , it diminishes with time if we dont take effort to control and it is not free at all.
    As it is a common good , every individual must have the right to access it. Denying it is not integrity. Therefore water knowledge must focus it.
    When water governance is not effective, especially the vulnerable and marginalise groups will lose because they will not have the ability to reach water resources.

  • #19586
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    sarathanjali
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    • Which and who´s interests might be affected?
    • What comes first: effective (good) water governance or water integrity? Do we need minimum conditions to start?
    • What type of “water knowledge” is needed to move into water integrity and transparency?
    • Who loses when water governance is not effective?

    Hi,
    The interest of general public will be affected
    Effective good governance imrpoves water integrity. Therefore effective (good) water governance comes first
    first of all every one must understand that water is a common good , it diminishes with time if we dont take effort to control and it is not free at all.
    As it is a common good , every individual must have the right to access it. Denying it is not integrity. Therefore water knowledge must focus it.
    When water governance is not effective, especially the vulnerable and marginalise groups will lose because they will not have the ability to reach water resources.

  • #19630
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    santiagonunezr87
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    For me, this is a cultural problem, we have to “des-romanticize” the money as a successful trigger and give more importance to water resources (The problem is that it may take years of continuous working).

    I know that I am a bit idealistic, but I feel the problem is bigger than we think. The “business people” may have been doing a really nice job making people thinking that money is the most important thing, and there is the problem, people are willing to do anything to have money.

    On the one hand, the people don’t understand the importance of natural resources like water, so they just want to receive monetary benefits on this resources. On the other hand, civil society has not enough tools to fight against corruption. So yes, it is accountability, efficiency, and participation, but we also need a different mindset.

    While we change the mindset to a water integrity one, I think the most important is to empower the civil society (who are the most affected) to participate, control, and monitor the water governance. So I think first should come the water integrity and then should come the water governance.

  • #19691
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    Adeyemi Arowosebe
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    I strongly belief that most issue of corruption practices in water sector are as a result of weak institution, wrong staffing, lack of evaluation mechanism to re-access the performance of existing policy

  • #19712
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    Mfundi
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    in the case of water integrity, I am for the idea that, All policy decisions should be taken in a transparent manner so that both insiders and outsiders can easily follow the decision making procedure.

  • #19764
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    Kassim
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    Why are integrity and anti-corruption some of the least addressed areas in the governance of water resources and services? Here follow some guiding questions with the aim to start a valuable exchange of opinions:

    • Which and who´s interests might be affected?
    • What comes first: effective (good) water governance or water integrity? Do we need minimum conditions to start?
    • What type of “water knowledge” is needed to move into water integrity and transparency?
    • Who loses when water governance is not effective?

    Integrity and anti-corruption in the water sector remains largely unaddressed because this has not been prioritized and so not enough advocacy has been seen in championing these issues.
    When integrity and anti-corruption is fully addressed it has the tendency to affect and damage the interest of the corrupt few in the helm of affairs and these people contribute and influence people including law enforcers and regulatory bodies to shelve grave corrupt practices.
    Effective good water governance and integrity are like the egg and chicken situation as it is difficult to say which should come first. These two are flip side of the same coin and are mutually important to deal with corruption. The existence of one of the two can lead to the other and so you need both good governance and integrity at the same time to uproot corruption in the water sector.
    Equity, equality, sustainability and IWRM is needed water integrity and transparency. Everybody losses when water governance is not effective but the most affected are the vulnerable including women and children, the poverty-stricken and the physically challenged.

  • #19803
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    alvinwacha
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    I think the above mentioned i.e integrity and anti corruption are some of the least addressed areas in the governance of water mainly because the perpetrators of these vices are actually the key sector stakeholders who should be at the forefront of fighting these vices e.g technocrats, policy makers, contractors etc and they benefit from all that is going wrong in the sector and are hesitant to change.

    If this trend continues its the general public and benefitiaries who require the service the most that suffer like the poor in the rural and urban communities and its for these groups that the effect of the service is very dire as it borders between life,death, poor health.

    I believe effective/ good governance comes first then integrity follows. Good governance will come through the enabling environment instituted by government through regulation, policy, guidelines and enforcement of laws on anti corruption and those that promote water integrity like the integrity pacts etc. These will be followed by the integrity being enforced by the different government institutions mandated by government to effect accountability, ethics ,anti corruption and also by the communities learning and perceiving that all these instruments are seen to be acting towards the required objective of achieving integrity.

    All sector information is needed as different stakeholders have different requirements for them to achieve their portion of the contribution to integrity and transparency.

    Everyone loses but its mostly those that need this service the most i.e the poor rural and urban communities, the vulnerable etc who are in most cases not considered as the most important benefitiaries.

  • #20062
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    sameer.abusaoud
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    Water sector is one of the major sectors such as oil, electricity and telecom. Major players believe managing and controlling service delivery (and resources in case of water) strengthen their political powers and status. So, addressing integrity and anti corruption is of minimal importance to them. Many of leaders (managers, executives and public officers) in the water sector use their positions for show off and to increase their public appearance, making them less care about integrity and closer to corruption.

  • #20068
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    nangyati.nyinyi
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    According to my understanding from readindings, corruption is least stated probably because of difficulties to balance diversity. Therefore, water governance is more important as it may reduce corruption caused by diversity. The transparency also plays a vital role in water governance so that water users become aware of their responsibility in conserving water usage.

  • #20087
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    Lorna
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    I feel that people don’t seem to see the link between integrity, anti- corruption and water governance. Yet when assessing budgets and investments in water, it is easy to see that either money mysteriously disappeared or the projects in place are of poor quality, not matching the investment amount indicated. In this case, the people most affected are the poor, for example with a case of a malfunctioning borehole, who will then have to look for other means of obtaining water as buying truck water is too expensive for them. Others include the women who directly interact with the water.

    Effective good water governance and water integrity, come in at the same time. Good water governance requires water integrity and vice versa as mentioned in one of the readings. And to move towards this integrity, the water knowledge required would be on the policies, laws, quality of water, quantity of water, budgets and investments related to water. All this information needs to be shared openly to encourage transparency. When water governance is not effective, the people who lose the most include the poor and women who are the most vulnerable but in the long run, the whole community loses.

  • #20088
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    Hmaidi
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    If I may add to what Lorna has said, the overall affected is the water sector and within can be the poor. with the picture you gave above, the first to notice are Donors and are usually the first to leave the sector. and with this, the whole sector is affected including the poor.

  • #20387
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    ferbrito29
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    corruption and integrity is not treated in water sector because in my country does not have a water law in order to settle the rules, I think most important knowledge to go foward in water sector is apply clear rules and work in young people teaching them integrity and responsability

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